From: “garver”
Subject: Paul’s Perspective — The Federal Vision: In Their Own Words
Has anyone seen this page before? Know anything about it or the folks who put it together?
http://www.paulperspective.com/
joel
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:22:47 -0000
From: “garver”
Subject: Re: Paul’s Perspective — The Federal Vision: In Their Own Words
Hmm. . . . here’s its summary of the NPP:
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This theological movement accuses the Reformation of falsely reading the Augustine/Pelagius debate into their reading of Paul. In a complete recasting of our understanding of pre-Christian Judaism, the NPP rejects that Judaism was a religion of merit, but instead was a religion of grace, where you entered into relationship of God corporately through the covenant by grace, and maintained your status within the covenant by obedience to law by works. This pattern, termed by the NPP as “covenantal nomism”, is allegedly the same pattern of religion followed by the Apostle Paul — with the exception that Judaism was not Christianity. This approach launches a strong assault on the hallmark doctrines of the Reformation — justification by faith alone, imputation of Christ’s righteousness, and the law/gospel distinction — and replaces them with justification by faith and works, meritorious personal righteousness, and the law AS gospel.
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:58:54 -0800
From: “Dale Courtney”
Subject: Paul’s Perspective — The Federal Vision: In Their Own Words
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The Email is http://GFPCA.org
Organization:
G. William Davis, III
G. William Davis, III
P.O. Box 10
Thompson’’s Sta, TN 37179
US
Phone: 615.207.7842
Email: bing@gfpca.org
Created on..............: Wed, Oct 27, 2004
Expires on..............: Fri, Oct 27, 2006
Record last updated on..: Mon, Dec 06, 2004
Administrative Contact:
G. William Davis, III
G. William Davis, III
P.O. Box 10
Thompson’s Sta, TN 37179
US
Phone: 615.207.7842
Email: bing@gfpca.org
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:36:34 -0000
From: “garver”
Subject: Re: Paul’s Perspective — The Federal Vision: In Their Own Words
The website explicitly states that it is a ministry Grace Fellowship PCA in Thompson’s Corner, TN, pastored by Bing Davis (is “Bing” a nickname for “G. William”?): http://www.gfpca.org/
Does anyone know this congregation and pastor?
joel
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:57:19 -0600
From: “Steve Wilkins”
Subject: Paul’s Perspective — The Federal Vision: In Their Own Words
This was posted on a public board by a member of Rick Phillips’ church. If Rick is softening it ain’t being communicated.
sw
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What I would like to see is all the Federal heretics tossed out of the PCA and OPC pronto. Why this is taking so long is beyond me. Take two seconds to ready ANY of their works, and you find teaching that not only opposes the Standards, but also the Bible. NT Wright has proved over and over again that he teaches heresy and is antichrist. Wilson, though some shy away from calling him a heretic, teaches the same doctrines in most places which speak to these things as Wright does. Others that keep propagating this nonsense, like Jordan, Smith, Liethart, Lusk, Horne, etc., are heretical in their new fangled neo-nomianism. They keep shouting “Oh! You don’t understand us!” Nonsense! its so bogus. in other words, everybody misunderstand them except for themselves! They are false teachers that are doing damage to Christ’s church.
Don’t get me wrong, I would be heartily inclined to see them repent of their works salvation. But I am not sure that is going to happen seeing how far they have dug themselves into a pit of false teaching. What would be great is to see someone like Wilson get his theology straight (because he is no good for historical theology or Westminsterian Theology) and come back around to embrace the truth instead o panhandling these errors. These guys in general are so poor at understanding Westminster.
I am glad for men like Lig Duncan and Richard Phillips who are taking up certain political issues that need to be address with these men, as well as writing against them. We need more pens to come into the forefront and put these guys to to shame. Guy Waters put out a good book recently that is a helpful overview of the subject. I am working on a book that sets down covenant theology easily. That way the laymen in all our churches will at least have a good base to work from when they hear false teachers propagating this stuff.
Its good news that a statement like this has emerged, and we need to see more of them.
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:47:37 -0500
From: Leithart@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paul’s Perspective — The Federal Vision: In Their Own Words
<< Liethart>>
Whew! At least he didn’t mention me!
Peter LEIthart
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:55:50 -0700
From: “Tim Gallant”
Subject: Re: Paul’s Perspective — The Federal Vision: In Their Own Words
Yeah, that was close, but you’re off the hook.
:^p
