From: burke
Subject: Unusual Baptism Circumstance
I didn’t mean that the Reformers used congregational vows (hey, not even the OPC uses them!).
Are you saying that in the OPC, the congregation does not vow to help train up the child in Christ, assisting the parents where needed?
Burke
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:50:51 -0500
From: “Brian D. Nolder”
Subject: OPC DPW (was Unusual Baptism Circumstance)
Burke:
It is not in our DPW, though many congregations do make the vow (including ours), and it will likely be the revised DPW that we will (hopefully!) approve this summer.
Brothers, I would ask you to pray about this (but also, remember the confidentiality of this list): the major author of the proposed revision that will likely be coming before our GA is a fan of Jeff’s book, and his own orders of service are explicitly covenant renewal. The OPC may end up with an explicitly covenant renewal model of worship in its DPW.
BDN
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:07:56 -0600
From: Jeff Meyers
Subject: OPC DPW (was Unusual Baptism Circumstance)
On Feb 8, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Brian D. Nolder wrote:
Brothers, I would ask you to pray about this (but also, remember the confidentiality of this list): the major author of the proposed revision that will likely be coming before our GA is a fan of Jeff’s book, and his own orders of service are explicitly covenant renewal. The OPC may end up with an explicitly covenant renewal model of worship in its DPW.
Oh, very interesting. Is this new proposed DPW online for our viewing pleasure?
JJM
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:35:01 -0500
From: “Brian D. Nolder”
Subject: OPC DPW (was Unusual Baptism Circumstance)
Jeff:
If you check out the Minority Report on the OPC website, you will see something close to what will hopefully become the single report of the committee (again, brothers, confidentiality here is important: this combined report has not yet been made public, as far as I know, and it will be a major breakthrough for this committee).
BDN
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:52:09 -0600
From: “Jonathan Barlow”
Subject: OPC DPW (was Unusual Baptism Circumstance)
The link is:
http://opc.org/GA/DPW_Alternative.pdf
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:56:43 -0000
From: “garver”
Subject: OPC DPW (was Re: Unusual Baptism Circumstance)
Jonathan Barlow wrote:
The link is:
http://opc.org/GA/DPW_Alternative.pdf
Or, since that doesn’t seem to be working, try:
http://web.archive.org/web/20031204235833/http://opc.org/GA/DPW_Alternative.pdf
or
http://tinyurl.com/65yyx
joel
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:57:40 -0800
From: “Dale Courtney”
Subject: OPC DPW (was Re: Unusual Baptism Circumstance)
Jonathan,
That link doesn’t work.
pax,
Dale
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:03:58 -0600
From: “Jonathan Barlow”
Subject: OPC DPW (was Unusual Baptism Circumstance)
Yes, the link I provided is the correct link (from the opc.org “what’s new” page), but the file is not there, so Joel’s archive trick below is the way to get it.
— Jonathan
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:17:56 -0500
From: “Brian D. Nolder”
Subject: OPC DPW (was Unusual Baptism Circumstance)
I wonder if it is not there because the committee is going to be replacing both the majority and minority with its unified report? If so, that is a good sign that they are making progress at coming together.
BDN
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:26:17 -0600
From: burke
Subject: OPC DPW (was Unusual Baptism Circumstance)
It is not in our DPW, though many congregations do make the vow (including ours), and it will likely be the revised DPW that we will (hopefully!) approve this summer. Brothers, I would ask you to pray about this (but also, remember the confidentiality of this list): the major author of the proposed revision that will likely be coming before our GA is a fan of Jeff’s book, and his own orders of service are explicitly covenant renewal. The OPC may end up with an explicitly covenant renewal model of worship in its DPW.
That’s great news, Brian, and surely something worthy of praying for. But how will that look? a bunch of covenant renewal worshipping Klineans! Blimey!
Burke
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:21:34 -0500
From: “Brian D. Nolder”
Subject: OPC DPW (was Unusual Baptism Circumstance)
Burke:
Actually, Horton (a card-carrying Klinean, I believe) is promoting an explicit covenant renewal model in _A Better Way_. The problem is a strictly First Use of the Law (which even Horton says we should not always do: the reading of the Law should sometimes come after the Prayer of Confession).
BDN
